Purchase the book here: Amazon USA | Amazon Canada, To read more reviews, visit our Press Archive, ZACHARY'S BILL (BILL C-464) BECOMES LAW IN CANADA, (Click HERE to read a letter to viewers from David & Kate Bagby.). Djing. She. We had to pack up Zachary, Mr. BAGBY: We just climbed right back upstairs and went to bed and melted. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. We just want as many people as possible to know this story, the documentary, for the practical reasons in my fantasies, I suppose some judge, some place, actually gets it and denies bail to somebody who could kill again, said David. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. David Bagby wrote Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, a best-seller in Canada in 2007, about his family's ordeal. His father says, "I kissed him and held . Without access, without favor, without discretion, and without interference. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. But I used to look at her hand and think, it. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. They told us that they'd found the body. Memorial University Medical School. They held their breath. -, "To give you an idea how powerful it is, I'll just say that there was a lot of audible sobbing during the credits.and the first question in the Q&A started like this: "First of all, holy crap. The legal system helped her kill Zachary. But something kept me going, and. So he came straight for me. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) That you aren't trying to take my place. This is what that fucking bitch didnt know, David Bagby fumes towards the end of Dear Zachary. Turner, the daughter of a U.S. serviceman and a woman from St. Anthony, met Andrew while they were attending medical school at Memorial University in St. Johns. Six-month-old Zachary was, returned to her. It would take two weeks. then one day I realized what it was. MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. His goal at first was simply to collect memories and tributes from people who were close to Bagby. I--we both did. Mr. SIMPSON: Things people should know about Andrew, he was never late. -, "This documentary will rip out your heart and leave you in the snow without a sweater. IE 11 is not supported. Digital: iTunes | Amazon | Google Play, Order David Bagby's book Kuenne began making Dear Zachary before Turner revealed her pregnancy. A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. David R. Bagby Born: July 2, 1957 in Joliet, IL Died: January 5, 2022 in Statesville, NC David R. Bagby, 64 of Statesville, NC and formerly of Streator passed away Wednesday (January 5,. I had a son I used, (Photo of young Kate; photo of Kate and David; photo of Kate and Andrew), KATE: And then suddenly you're in the pits, and then you have to learn that, MORRISON: Two weeks after Zachary's murder, the press covered a, Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) We believe that the legal system helped her to, MORRISON: Charging the child protection authorities dropped the, ball, and that a disastrous bail system allowed a probable first-degree, (Zachary; court document; Shirley and Andrew). I had this overwhelming feeling. Kathryn Schulz, reviewing Making a Murderer recently inThe New Yorker, described howtrue-crime projects can allow for bias to masquerade as objectivity and for people (particularly victims and their families) to be reduced to plot points. Well, I said, `Bring some beer. The New Yorker may earn a portion of sales from products that are purchased through our site as part of our Affiliate Partnerships with retailers. In mid-December, the Bagbys talked to The Western Star about the rerelease of the documentary, Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father, by Kurt Kuenne. Subscribe here. And we came back. (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. to reconsider getting some help with that. Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? Mr. KUENNE: (Kate holding Zachary) Hello, bud. Except this story is worse. I am a young director, producer, stage manager, communicator, and creative organizer for theatre and multimedia artistic endeavors. -, "urgent, furiousadmirably well editedthis incredible, well-researched documentary demonstrates the vast gulf one life can leave behind." The other, their grandson, Zachary Turner. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. But the tributes Kuenne collected remain the spine of the movie, alternating throughout with exposition of the murder and its aftermath. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. We were done," Kate Bagby said, finishing her husband's thought, a quirk of their relationship that became apparent during a several-hour recount of how their lives spiraled out of control after that phone call from police. It opens with a gushing montage of the friends of a doctor named Andrew Bagby, none of whom have one real bad word about him. with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. After Zacharys death, the Bagbys began a quest to have Canadas bail laws changed. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? And tears are dropping on him, of course, and Kate went to wipe one of those away off his cheek, and a plug came out, where hed been shot in the left cheek. "This is the purest, most intensely raw film I have ever seen of any kind, dramatic or nonfiction. Sometimes, if you are paying attentionclose attentionyou can see it coming, even if only barely. But two months later, that would change, after Shirley appealed, again to be released on bail. The amount of the award will be variable, but is expected to be in the range of $1,000. Cpl. Wow." Instead, the film's dramatic nodes are scenes such as the one in which Bagby's parents, David and Kate, recall going to identify their son's body. If nothing else is accomplished with this film, it will absolutely attach you to the too-short life that was Andrew Bagby's, and you're going to be sad that you didn't get a chance to know him -- but glad all the same that you know ABOUT him now." They are simply good people. Family and friends go to extraordinary lengths to honor a legacy of a young man whose trust led to tragedy. MORRISON: Life for Andrew Bagby was good. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. On December 4, 2009, Bill C-464 (our bail reform bill) was discussed on the floor of the House of Commons for a full hour, and MP Scott Andrews received unanimous support from all political parties in the House of Commons to advance the bill to the Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. Understood? If you didnt realize the importance of that, Kuenne mutes the film to let you process it. In the early years, that included David writing a book, Dance With the Devil, about his sons and grandsons murders, and Kuennes documentary. But how? Its good to see him again, hear his voice, he said of the images of Andrew. Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' Woman #11: Doesn't matter what happened. The upbeat music stops and a little boy who speaks in that lispy slow muckle-mouthed way little boys do, asks, Why did Andrew get killed?. "In a tragic ending, we bring new beginnings with bail reform so that no other family will have to go through the devastation that Kate and David have gone through," Andrews said. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. -, "It's Kate and David Bagby who are the moral center of this film. Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' Do you understand? An autopsy report would show that an anti-anxiety drug, prescribed by the very psychiatrist who put up Shirley's bail money had been, mixed into Zachary's formula. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. I had a job I loved. I'm just looking for somebody to hang out with and have fun here in school.' Mr. KUENNE: He liked playing bad guys a lot. MORRISON: You didn't seriously think of--I mean, you talk about this plan Mr. BAGBY: Absolutely. Bagbys wondered if there might ever be an extradition hearing. And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. MORRISON: What do you do about this? Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Just got up. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. Information on who and where to write can be found by going to the "Support Bail Reform" page. It also recently won Best Documentary at the Orlando Film Festival and the Audience Award at the St. Louis International Film Festival. 1 suspect was his estranged girlfriend, Shirley Turner, also a medical doctor, who was raised in western Newfoundland and was then practicing in Iowa. Schultz quotes the brother of Hae Min Lee, the victim of the murder at the center of the first season of Serial, responding, on Reddit, to the surge of interest in the case: I wont be answering any questions because . If it looks like she's likely to go back, how is she going to behave? But he was accepted here, St. John's, Newfoundland, the easternmost point in North America. He said, `What can happen?'. There was plenty of turmoil in the industry, but many shows continued to nourish, illuminate, and delight. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. This film will be one of the best you're likely to see this year." It's said there's nothing worse than the death of your child, and this film drives that point home harder and with the utmost care and precision." And so, on August 18, 2003, Shirley Jane Turner kills Zachary. She has to veer away from the image and instead see him as a living being. The film ends with the Bagbys and their relatives, friends, and colleagues reflecting on the father and son, as well as the . The Bagbys, who recently marked their 50th wedding anniversary, say it sustained them for nearly a decade as they struggled to come to terms first with the 2001 slaying of their 28-year-old son, Dr. Andrew Bagby, and later with the murder of Andrew's son, 13 . We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. Why would she say that if he wasn't? American authorities asked Canadian, authorities to send her back to the US, which would require an extradition, hearing. This abridged version was prepared personally by Kurt Kuenne in order to comply with CBC Newsworld's time constraints but preserve the film's impact while reaching a wider audience in Canada. but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. This is the kind of couple, themselves beloved by hundreds, that produces the kind of son who is beloved by hundreds. Turner - the son of Andrew Bagby whom she gave birth to after Bagby's death. December 10, 2007: Bring lots of kleenex and prepare to be equally angry and emotionally drained as you watch real, so-called justice in action. (Talking in group) This is not about money. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. Had the case played out in the U.S. court system, they believe Zachary would still be with them. Asked if he would have done anything different back then, David replies, kill Shirley Turner.. Welcome back toCold Comforts, a recurring column in which Soraya Roberts writes about the grim, harrowing, and downright bizarre movies and television shows that she nevertheless cant stop watching, over and over again. How the fuck do you live like that? You take it with you, but you move on, said David. I kind of. he was fussy at all. You know when you see pictures of some of your friends and then pictures of their parents as kids and they look identical? ', KATE: He's so loved. What kind of headfuck must that be? I mean, the best man is really the groom. Blu-Ray | DVD, BLU-RAY the water. David bagby, left, and kate bagby, right, celebrate with their son andrew bagby at his graduation from medical school at memorial university of newfoundland in june 2000. contributed by david and kate bagby. Mr. SHEARS: I can remember being really upset and pissed off about that, happening because I had--I had friends here, and I had no time to tell anybody, basically why. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm not going to kid you, Doctor. He said, `The psychotic bitch. MORRISON: How did you find out what happened, how he had been killed? In initial questioning, Turner claimed to have been home sick in Iowa when Bagby was shot, but cell-phone records showed her placing calls along the thousand-mile highway route between Council Bluffs and Latrobe in the days before and after the murder. MORRISON: And ultimately she sent him away, with no forewarning. Kurt Kuennes 2008 documentary, Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father, deserves a second look, especially in light of the recent popularity of true-crime programs like Serial and Making a Murderer., Photograph courtesy Oscilloscope Pictures / Everett. Specific in nature? We're thrilled with MP Andrews' initiative and efforts, and support him 100% as he moves this bill forward. Unidentified Man #25: I love them very much. 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. They had to be nice to Turner, to keep her mellow, and not fight with her. MORRISON: The sea at midnight was endless black. Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. It's great. In the end, she died, but love did not. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. She just dropped to the floor and laid down, and, I went down after her. anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? Then, upon. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) This is Shirley Turner, yes. RELATED:California filmmaker remasters documentary on the lives and murders of Andrew Bagby and Zachary Turner. MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. We couldnt actually believe shed (harm Zachary), but we consciously feared she could do that, he said. (A number of his male friends say that they asked, or would have asked, him to be their best man.) (Photo of Shirley; Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary), Mr. SHEARS: There was a conversation one time she had with me and Erica, in, regards to if something ever happened to her and she had to go to jail or. On Aug. 18, 2003, while awaiting extradition to the U.S. on a charge of murdering Andrew, Turner jumped into the waters of Conception Bay South with her 13-month-old son strapped to her in a murder-suicide. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. We're churning. And thus the decision from which all else followed. Kuenne, a childhood friend of Andrews, started out to make the movie as a tribute to Andrew, but it kept taking on new meanings, first with Zacharys birth and then his death. For one thing, Shirley, required the Bagbys to bring Zachary to visit her once a week in jail. MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father sounds like the kind of movie I would never want to see, which is why it took me so long to actually see it. And in that time, the Canadian justice system does nothing. We need each other, have each other to get through this, added David. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. In this way, Dear Zachary inverts the usual way of telling murder stories. Why don't you just take him?'. any problem at all with them spending time with him, unlike my mother, Mr. SHEARS: I guess I just thought, well, they're kind of accusing her of, murder. Zachary didn't seem like. Is it OK? Lori Kaufman rw. He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. Kate Bagby feels her son was too trusting to agree to meet Turner at the park the day he was killed. There were moments when something happened that had my heart beating so fast I became lightheaded and had to refocus myself. I'm absolutely sure. Mr. SIMPSON: He said, `You'll never guess who showed up on my doorstep at 5:30.' A Kate Bagby is an Advisory Member at Mothers Against Murder based in Los Altos, California. They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. While that change felt good, David wanted more. Man #26: and for having the strength to make it through, Unidentified Man #27: With what you've been through, to still be, carrying on, still to hold your heads up and keep going and pushing forward is, (Kate and David; photo of David and Kate), Unidentified Woman #13: I think God put some people down on Earth, Mr. A. BAGBY: (Wedding video) We're brothers, and I love you. Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. And in that way this tragedy remains hers and hers alone. 2015 - 20153 . I praise Kurt Kuenne for having the heart and determination to perfectly put together one of the most powerful documentaries I have ever watched. Sharing voices. children, who had recently been in a bad car accident. MORRISON: Zachary fell asleep in his car seat. The victims choices, preferences, actions, and relationships are either boiled down to a heap of clues and red herrings, or offered as a backdrop in a spirit of dutiful empathy before getting down to the business at hand. David Bagby's book, Dance With the Devil, is a good read. If you were to dream up the perfect set of parents, it would be Kate and David Bagby. MORRISON: What was it like to hear that she was going to get out of prison? Typically, we meet the victim not as a person but as a dismantled puzzle to be put back together by the canny viewer, who is likewise appealed to not as a person hearing about a human catastrophe but as an analytical machine capable of sorting and weighing the relevant facts. Lastly, Dear Zachary was screened in Ottawa on March 11, 2009 for various members of Parliament and their staff; as a result, a small but committed group of Parliamentarians are now drafting a bill based on the issues raised in the film. Click HERE for ticket information. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I understand that. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. This couple have endured more grief and pain that most people will endure in a lifetime. Curated newsletters for curious minds. MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. MORRISON: Andrew's body was discovered the following morning with bullets lodged in his face, buttock, chest, the back of his head. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. Mr. BAGBY: Without those cell phone records, they couldn't formally charge. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. Did anyone have more friends than he? unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. And thank God. Kurt is incredibly grateful for the good folks at MSNBC for making this arrangement happen. Shirley Turner, awaiting, extradition for murder, was out of prison on bail. Mommy loves you. Dear Zachary recently won the Sigma Delta Chi Award for Best Documentary of 2008 from the Society of Professional Journalists. MORRISON: But then things changed. March 18, 2008: His father says, I kissed him and held him. June 25, 2008: By signing up, you agree to our User Agreement and Privacy Policy & Cookie Statement. Dear Zachary was named one of the top 5 documentaries of 2008 by the National Board of Review! A few weeks after, Zachary's birthday party, the Bagbys and Shirley took the toddler swimming, an, activity he usually enjoyed. Both screenings were sold out and received sustained standing ovations, an exceptionally rare event in the 14 year history of Slamdance. -, "Some of the week's biggest flicks aren't at Sundancefilmmakers have praised Slamdance film. Click here for ticket information! KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. Dear Zachary was a hit at Slamdance! He travelled across the country, and to England, to collect these reminiscences, which reveal Bagby to be a caring physician and a beloved and charismatic goofball. HOUSE OF COMMONS UNANIMOUSLY PASSES BILL C-464. Blu-ray | DVD, 10th Anniversary Edition: The psychotic bitch.) The bullets in Bagbys body were of the same type that Turner had used at a shooting range shortly before, in a gun she had recently purchased.

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